Warren Spector defends Deus Ex

[Tonnochi]

This is old news. I stopped reading when he said "fresh madness".

http://forums.eidosgames.com/archive/index.php/t-3289.html

[[FGS]ShadowRunner]

I too defend Deus Ex, it is a good game... a masterpiece among classics and quite unique, ahead of it's time and above all...cool.

[Tonnochi]

No but this guy gave it a bad review. One of the only people. Which shows that the only people that don't like DX have no idea what they're talking about.

[Mastakilla]

He obviously didn't get the point of the game, afraid that he would miss plot elements from the game because there are different approaches to situations, he prefers a game where you can do only one thing, shooting. I don't see why he hates DX than, because here too you can just go in shooting of that's what you prefer

[Mr. Tastix]

It sounds to me like these dumb fucks didn't even play the game fully. The second review even sounds like he's accusing that whole Illuminati-conspiracy storyline thing has been done before. Tell me then, in what game that's been released have you ever had to uncover a conspiracy concerning a massive epidemic, a cure for the epidemic and a massively secret organization?

Hell, walk down in the middle of your city, ask someone what the Illuminati is and they'll either wonder what the hell you're on about or think you're making some fucked up joke. That and what's wrong with the game's name? It DOES make sence, which I would think is the reason why it's based off of a Deus Ex Machina...

If bastards like these aren't willing to play the game to it's full extent then they have no right to make a review about it. Making a crap review and admitting you couldn't even complete the game isn't wise. It proves you're stupid enough to try and degrade a game with NO evidence to base your claims on.

[Tonnochi]

It's typical Halo-like gamers. If the first thing they see isn't a gun and people to shoot it with, the game sucks.

[Tantalus]

Why does Deus Ex deserve this criticism? If anything Half Life sucks much more than the DX series.

[Mr. Tastix]

Why does Deus Ex deserve this criticism? If anything Half Life sucks much more than the DX series.

That's incredibly debatable. Especially considering Half-Life has won more awards than Deus Ex and a load gamers class it as the best first-person shooter ever made.

I don't class it as that, I don't class any game as that, even Deus Ex. And DX is my favourite game of all the games I've ever played. I don't believe in the "best" game.

And by your quote I assume you either didn't like Half-Life as much as Deus Ex or you just dislike the Half-Life series in general. I myself quite liked the Half-Life series, but that's just me.

[James]

Half Life 2 vanilla makes me rage so hard and a lot of people agree with me. It was nothing special, you could even say that Halo 1 did the same things before it.

[Mr. Tastix]

I couldn't care less really. I play a game, I try and finish it. Unless it's got some massive suckage involved I don't finish it. I did finish Half-Life 2 however and have finished many other games. Not all I liked but meh, whatever.

As far as I'm concerned, Half-Life is just another game. I personally don't mind it, I kinda like it. But I still believe Deus Ex pwns everything else. And Deus Ex is my favourite game not because of graphics or gameplay (partly the latter though) but because I believe it to have an absolutely fantastic storyline.

[Tantalus]

Don't get me wrong: I love the Half Life storyline but I would rather read it in comics.

For me I thought it was sloppy, misleading and attempting to look like a varied path game but was completely linear.

I even had to cheat on a puzzle because I destroyed all the boxes you have to use to go on - to me that screams poor.

[Mr. Tastix]

For me I thought it was sloppy, misleading and attempting to look like a varied path game but was completely linear.

I have to agree with you on that one.

[Tantalus]

For example: on the level Our Benefactors there are two pods: one leading to certain death and then nothing but a white screen....nice one Valve; what were you trying to accomplish?

And during the hover boat level, I wasn't even given the damn turret!

Stalkers weren't even coded to animate death.

[Tonnochi]

I ADORE Half-Life, but while we're on the subject of flaws...

The bottoms of anything in the game are not textured. Thats sloppy.

[Psycho]

TBH people might say im thick, but my personal opinion I think Deus EX is better than CS:S, you get shot once and you are dead, and I do not like that in a First Person shooter PC game.

[Tantalus]

Obviously it was aiming for realism but when do you see a Counter Terrorist squad storm an office block, jumping around, firing fifty cals and throwing grenades. It is an entertaining game but it never lasted with me.

[synthetic]

Just make it happen and get it past the first fight. Only then one should discuss its success further. All this negativity will only damage the community, even if in the interest of saving someone's time or trying not to get the hopes up.

Of course the details could and should be discussed where ever they seem vague. For example the point Alex brought out.

So work on the ladder, keep us posted, but do not expect immediate interest in this project from the community.

[James]

UHOH
WRONG THREAD

[Tantalus]

I knew that sounded out of context.

[Siva]

Kanye be readin' dat PC Zone fo sho'

[Mr. Tastix]

Especially when I read the sentence: "So work on the ladder, keep us posted, but do not expect immediate interest in this project from the community."

That was odd. Wrong thread rofl. Anyways, I believe this is about Warren Spector defending Deus Ex and not about Half-Life or CS:S (which I don't mind but can't stand it online, I prefer LAN). Every game has their flaws and not everyone did like Deus Ex.

Hell, I know loads of people who played the game and couldn't get to grips with the storyline. I do have to say, it's not the easiest to follow. Some may learn within a few hours, some people are slower than that.

[Tantalus]

Kanye be readin' dat PC Zone fo sho'

Please stop talking street! It's a tumour on your IQ.